Tuesday, May 15, 2007

A theist, an atheist and an agnostic

Living in an on-campus residential apartment is a rich experience. Varieties of people, international community makes life simply wonderful. People with different beliefs always gather to party, drink, dine or watch movies in the common lounge. I was involved into this interesting conversation (well at least I find so) between people of different beliefs.

Atheist: A very easy way to prove God doesn’t exist. God is all powerful and good. If that is so there must be no evil. Since u see evil in the world it either means God is not all powerful or not fully good. If God is not all powerful why do we worship him? If he is not fully good what is the point in worshiping him. It is very simple logic. This proves that there is no God.

Theist: Don’t always depend on science and logic for complicated issues like God.

Atheist: Come on, we are familiar with science and logic only. Talk in these grounds.

Theist: You need faith to understand about God. You can’t rationalize everything

Atheist: Faith doesn’t mean anything. Educated people are expected to question and ask for proofs and not accept things as they are.

Agnostic: I beg to differ. (Looking at atheist) You cannot say that u rely purely on logic. You make certain assumptions too. You rely on the accuracy of the instruments u use. I can say lot more. Science and logic cannot explain every phenomenon happening. Take NDE (near death experience) for instance.

Atheist: Well then how can u answer the proofs I said first? I mean how could you say God is all powerful?

Agnostic: If I say “Love conquers all.” Will u accept it? Same way, you can’t argue that there are people living without love.

Atheist: You are using the word play. How can you believe God exists just like that?

Agnostic: Can you disprove that he doesn’t exist? We all don’t know. Better to admit what we don’t know as we don’t know.

Theist: Well talking about science, we say that there was a big bang and all planets and stars came and then coacervates came and then life evolved. Who do you think made the environment for all these?

Agnostic: they need not be planned. It could have been a coincidence or a result of randomness.

Atheist: Come on don’t now talk about religion. Don’t say that God created Adam and Eve and we all came to existence.

Theist: What makes u disagree with that?

Agnostic: Ok. I give it to you. Now let me assume that God created Adam and Eve. Why did he do that? What does he expect us to do or what does he want from us?

Theist: He doesn’t expect anything. He is the giver.

Agnostic and Atheist: Ohh then where is the need to worship him?

Theist: Thank him for the gifts he had given to you. If you live in the guidelines he had given to you, then you will be enlightened.

Atheist: Why should God expect this “thank you” from us? If he is really fair he should enlighten everyone no matter they accept him or not.

Theist: I think this argument leads nowhere. Just like you love your parents with no reason I say I believe and love God. I cannot prove or give any explanations but that doesn’t mean that I am wrong. Religion makes a man to lead a good life and makes him help others and love his fellow brothers.

Atheist: Well I don’t see any point in believing in supernatural unless I see any miracle happening. Regarding religions, they are just a set of rules that you are supposed to follow and not question why. I agree that religions came into practice to make man lead a good life and help his fellow brothers. But now at this present world when people are killing each other what is the use in having religions? Better abolish them all and let peace rule the world.

Agnostic: Well, God - whether he exists or not I really don’t care. If at all he exists I think the better way is to pursue The Divine would be not through religions but through your own personal way. And regarding religion I think people should consider religion as something personal and not kill each other in the name of religion. Of course no religion preaches anything bad to humanity but people using religion in a wrong way made me hate religions. I personally place humanity above divinity. I don’t need a religion to be good. My love for humanity will prevent me from hurting any of my fellow brothers. Man could be a mistake of God or God could be a mistake of man’s (Nietzsche). I somehow like the latter.

The theist smiled at these words followed by the atheist. Three of them agreed to disagree on their ideas. There ended the conversation.

8 Comments:

Blogger Anush said...

Were u one of the three conversationalists? :) :)

6/01/2007 04:20:00 AM  
Blogger Harish Suryanarayana said...

Nicely written ! And try to read Dostoevsky's 'The Brothers Karamazov' . It has many conversations like this and is a very interesting read ! and yeah Nietzsche totally rocks !

6/04/2007 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Thanks Harish
@crazy
Yep and guess who...

6/05/2007 06:59:00 PM  
Blogger Anush said...

hmmm... the agnostic? coz that person has the last word, and it is YOUR blog... so... :):)

6/06/2007 10:38:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Yah u r close

6/07/2007 08:08:00 AM  
Blogger Incognito said...

Cheers to the title! *hic*

12/23/2007 02:59:00 AM  
Blogger Incognito said...

Sounds like the story of blind men and the elephant.

labelling people, slotting things, pigeonholing are the techniques western view uses to analyse issues with.

By contrast, ancient indian philosophy was about unity.

So ancient indian science was inextricably linked with astronomy, asrtology, philosophy, culture, art, dance, music, day to day living and spirituality.

While western view dissects to understand, ancient indian view connects to do the same.

A parallel is in the difference between nuclear fission and fusion.

Fission that breaks the atom does produce energy, but its quantity is limited. Whereas fusion that unites atoms produces unlimited energy.

Similarly, the eastern view clarifies things in limitless and profound manner while western view remains limited.

Similar is the case with the blind men and the elephant. The blind men are like the western world view. They analyse each part separately and comes to their individual conclusions which are different from others, yet appears to them to be absolutely correct.

The indian world view views the elephant as the whole. Understands each blind men to be contributing to understanding of the whole through different parts and that insight provides the eastern world view to comprehend the whole of elephant which is denied to the western viewer.

- This is another Incognito not the one who posted earlier.

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